Joseph died about 1780. He had black eyes and mustache but his hair was iron gray, and everybody like him because he was so good natured and kind. https://web.archive.org/web/20071026072208/http://www.cherokeebyblo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5977809/joseph-vann, Webbers Falls, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, United States of America. Pappa named Charley Nave; mamma's name was Mary Vann before she marry and her papa was Talaka Vann, one of Joe Vann's slave down around Webber's Falls. They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. She inherit about half a dozen slaves, and say dey was her own and old master can't sell one unless she give him leave to do it. Joseph, 11 years old, was in the room when his father, James, was murdered, in Buffingtons Tavern in 1809 near the site of the family-owned ferry. Those included in this collection all mention the Vanns. Martha was born on September 18 1812, in near Conasauga, Old Cherokee Nation, Tennessee, USA. He went to the war for three years wid the Union soldiers. Them Pins was after Master all de time for a while at de first of de War, and he was afraid to ride into Ft. Smith much. The women dressed in white, if they had a white dress to wear. I had the money Black Hock had won on the track. North Carolina had the highest population of Vann families in 1840. She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. In 1730, Sir Alexander Cuming, an emissary of King George II, conferred the title of Emperor on Chief Moytoy at Tellico, Tennessee. Others were returned to their owners. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. Perhaps because they had observed the prosperity so often achieved by slave-holding whites, Indians of mixed-blood were more apt to own slaves. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days and go to Fort Gibson. There were some Cherokee slaves that were taken to Mexico, however, she makes vivid references to Seminole leaders John Horse, and Wild Cat. Christmas lasted a whole month. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. The engineer's name was Jim Vann. People all a visitin'. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. On his extensive plantation some 800 acres were under cultivation. He made a deal with Dave Mounts, a white man, who was moving into the Indian country to drive for him. His britches was all muddy and tore where de hounds had cut him up in de legs when he clumb a tree in de bottoms. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. Lord no, he didn't. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder. He was called by his contemporaries "Rich Joe" and many legends of his wealth ware still told among the Cherokees. 1746, and died July 16, 1839 in Van Zant County, Texas. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph H Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robe Chief James Clement Ii Vann, Elizabeth (Go-sa-du-i-sga) Vann (born Thornton), Sarah "sallie" Vann Nicholson Or Buzzard Trapper (born Vann), Feb 11 1798 - Spring Place, Georgia, Old Cherokee Nation East, United States, Oct 23 1844 - Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States, Chief James Vann, Ii, Nannie Vann (born Brown), Feb 11 1798 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States. When they get it they take it back to their cabin. He sure stood good with de Cherokee neighbors we had, and dey all liked him. The people were considered one of the Five Civilized Tribes of the American Southeast, because they had adopted some European-American ways, often from traders who intermarried with the Cherokee. I dont know, but that was before my time. It was Dont Call the Roll, Jesus, Because Im Coming Home. The only song I remember from the soldiers was: Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree, and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. He say he wanted to git de family all together agin. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. The master had a bell to ring every morning at four o'clock for the folks to turn out. All the colored folks lined up and the overseer he tell them what they must do that day. A doctor put it in alcohol and they kept it a long time. Eventually the Cherokee council granted Joseph the inheritance in line with his father's wish; this included 2,000 acres (8.1 km2) of land, trading posts, river ferries, and the Vann House in Spring Place, Georgia. Us Cherokee slaves seen lots of green corn shootings and de like of dat but we never had no games of our own. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. Master went plumb blind after he move back to Webber's Falls and so he move up on de Illinois River, about three miles from de Arkansas, and there old Mistress take de white swelling and die and den he die pretty soon. http://www.timcdfw.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I7805&tree= Joseph Vann removed to the West in 1836. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." Oh Lord, no. Death 06 May 1815 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, USA. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. We lived there a long time, and I was old enough to remember setting in the yard watching the river (Grand River) go by, and the Indians go by. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. One day Missus Jennie say to Marster Jim, she says, "Mr. Vann, you come here. He got that message to the captain just the same. After everything quiet down and everything was just right, we come back to territory second time. Her master was white, but he had married into de Nation and so she got a freedmen's allotment too. Pretty soon all de young Cherokee menfolks all gone off to de War, and de Pins was riding round all de time, and it ain't safe to be in dat part around Webber's Falls so old Master take us all to Fort Smith where they was a lot of Confederate soldiers. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder, I don't know, but that was before my time. Had sacks and sacks of money. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. We had about twenty calves and I would take dem out and graze-em while some grown-up negro was grazing de cows so as to keep de cows milk. James (Chief of Vann's Old Town) Vannfamily tree Parents Joseph Vann 1740- Unknown Sometimes just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. Pappys name was Kalet Vann, and mammys name was Sally. Free shipping on orders over $100 with free returns my strange addiction samantha tanning now. When anybody die, someone sit up with them day and night till they put them in the ground. Lots of bad things have come to me, but the good Father, high up, He take care of me. Chief Cheakoneska Otterlifter John Trader Vann married Sister Raven Ani Gatagewi Dougherty and had 1 child. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. Young Master Joe let us have singing and be baptized if we want to, but I wasn't baptized till after the War. He had run off after he was sold and joined de North army and discharged at Fort Scoot in Kansas, and he said lots of freedmen was living close to each other up by Coffeyville in the Coo-ee-scoo-wee District. Well, I'll tell you, you pull it out from the wall something like a shelf. Everybody pretty near to crazy when they bring that arm home. He courted a girl named Sally. Well, I go ahead, and make me a crop of corn all by myself and then I don't know what to do wid it. Women came in satin dresses, all dressed up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. The big house was made of log and stone and had big mud fireplaces. It wasn't my Master done dat. Ruth Thompson *. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. 3. He sold one of my brothers, and one sister because they kept running off. Joseph Vann took the rebel slaves belonging to him out of the Cherokee Nation and permanently assigned them to work on his steamboats. The Vanns later relocated to Indian Territory, present-day Oklahoma. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evening's and make wooden spoons out of maple. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. His grandfather was Clement Vann, a Scottish trader who moved from Charleston, South Carolina, to the Cherokee lands in northwest Georgia and married Wa-wli, a Cherokee Indian. Joseph Vann family tree Family tree Explore more family trees Parents Chief James Clement Vann 1765 - 1809 Margaret Peggy Scott 1783 - 1845 Wrong Joseph Vann ? Yes I was! Den old Master get three wagons and ox teams and take us all way down on Red River in de Choctaw Nation. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. Then we all have big dinner, white folks in the big house, colored folks in their cabins. Every morning the slaves would run to the commissary and get what they wanted for that day. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. My other sisters was Polly, Ruth and Liddie. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouoldn't let his house slaves to with no common dress out. He owned 110 slaves and on his plantation there were thirty-five houses, a mill and a ferry boat. He builds the large brick mansion house at Spring Place, Murray Country, Georgia, which stands today as a monument at its owner. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." I know he is right, too. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the Negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to old Master Joe. Source: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm [3] Lucy Walker steamboat disaster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster [1]. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. That house was on the place my papa said he bought from Billy Jones in 1895. Chief married Martha Peggy Vann, Thompson, Mayes (born McNair (rozena Vann)) in 1824, at age 23 at marriage place. Everybody laugh and was happy. I dont know what he done after that. Lord it was terible. All the Vann marsters was good looking. Had sacks and sacks of money. One of his wives was Gosaduisga who bore two daughters, Nannie and Elizabeth (Wai-Li). I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. Geni requires JavaScript! A Scottish trader came to Cherokee Territory in 1755, married Wai-Li and became a licensed trader-interpreter for the Queen of England. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. Florence Smith was my first wife and Ida Vann the second. Master Joe was sure a good provider, and we always had plenty of corn pone, sow belly and greens, sweet potatoes, cowpeas and cane molasses. 2. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 23 October 1844). My uncle Joe was de slave boss and he tell us what de Master say do. Sometimes us children would try to follow her, but she'd turn us around pretty quick and chase us back with: "Go on back to the house or the wolves get you.". Clement married the widowed Wah-li. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. His pappy was old Captain "Rich Joe" Vann, and he had been dead ever since long before de War. I've heard em tell of rich Joe Vann. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. I had a silver dime on it, too, for along time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. It look lots of clothes for all them slaves. I would stay around about a week and help em and dey would try to git me to take something but I never would. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. There was a big church. Don't know what they ever did with that arm. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." He located at Webbers Falls on the Arkansas River and operated a line of steamboats on the Arkansas, Mississippi, and Ohio Rivers. I'm glad the War's over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. That sure was a tough time for the soldiers, for father said they fought and fought before the "Seesesh" soldiers finally took off to the south and the northern troops went back to Fort Gibson. Many Creeks joined the Cherokee searchers. He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboats couldn't run. He related an unpleasant encounter with "Little Joe" Vann, son of "Rich Joe" Vann. Chief James Clement Vann family tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735 - 1815 Wahli Wa-wli Aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan 1751 - 1815 Spouse (s) I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. My husband was a Cherokee born Negro, too, and when he got mad he forgit all the English he knowed. She turned the key to the commissary too. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to Old Maser Joe. They didn't go away, they stayed, but they tell us colored folks to go if we wanted to. After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I ain't had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. The cooks would bring big iron pots, and cook things right there. During their pursuit of the escaped Negroes, the Cherokee Militia discovered the bodies of the two slave bounty hunters. Christmas lasted a whole month. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. I got all my money and fine clothes from the marster and the missus. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. Chief Joseph David VANN passed awayon 1844in in boat race on Ohio River, Indiana. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. Lord yes, su-er. Vashti Mariah Vann 1805-1888. Dere come six children; Charley, Alec, Laura, Harry Richard and Jeffy, who waS named after Jefferson Davis. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. I'se born right in my master and missus bed. He never seen them neither. It made my Master mad, but dey didn't belong to him no more and he couldn't say nothing. All the slaves lived in a log house. The master's house was a big log building setting east and west, with a porch on the north side of the house. He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. Below New Albany, the vessel blew up when one or more boilers blew up, killing the majority of the passengers and among them the owner and captain. They get something they need too. Pappy wanted to go back to his mother when the War was over the slaves was freed. Pappy was the shoe-maker and he used wooden pegs of maple to fashion the shoes. When night came we cut grass and put the bed clothes on top for a bed. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. De hog killing mean we gots lots of spare-ribs and chitlings and somebody always git sick eating to much of dat fresh pork. He sold one of my brothers and one sister because they kept running off. Everything was cheap. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. Chief Vann House Courtesy of Atlanta History Center. Johnson Thompson's father had been owned by "Rich Joe" Vann. He passed away on 04 Apr 1770 in Old Ninety Six, Edgefield, South Carolina, United States. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. They'd clap their hands and holler. Joseph Vann is listed in the Cherokee census of 1835 as a resident of the Cherokee nation within the chartered limits of Hamilton County, Tennessee, his family consisting of fifteen persons. Of course, all slaves were officially freed during the Civil War. Some 3,500 interviews were conducted. We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. We didn't suffer, we had plenty to eat. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Chief James Clement Vann Bio. + 17 My brothers was name Sone and Frank. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robert James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) (James Wahli Vann Etc. Some officers stayed in de house for a while and tore everything up or took it off. They had a big big plantation down by the river and they was rich. Two year old when my mamma died so I remember nothing of her, and most of my sisters and brothers dead too. In 1837 ptior to the main Cherokee Removal, he transported a few hundred Cherokee men, women, children, slaves and horses aboard a flotilla of flat boats to Webber's Falls on the Arkansas River in Indian Territory. Cornelius Neely Nave was a grandson of Talaka Vann, a slave owned by Joseph Vann in Webbers Falls. They put white cloths on the shelves and laid the good on it. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. Marster and Missus was dead. The comfort accorded house slaves is in stark contrast to the lives of the field slaves described in other interviews. Some of these slaves served as crew members of Vann's steamboat, a namesake of his favorite race horse "Lucy Walker". Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. Young Master Joe let us have singing and be baptised if we want to, but I wasnt baptized till after the war. After a bloody fracas in 1834, Colonel W. N. Bishop established his brother, Absolom Bishop, on the premises and Joseph Vann with his family was driven out to seek shelter over the state line in Tennessee. In slavery time the Cherokee Negroes do like anybody else when they is a death, jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. They was so many of us for dat little field we never did have to work hard. I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! Sometimes the sleep was too deep and somebody would be late, but the master never punish anybody, and I never see anybody whipped and only one slave sold. He worked in the gold mines. In one month you have to get back. Somehow or other they all took a liking to me, all through the family. Connect to the World Family Tree to find out, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Vann. On October 23, 1844, the steamboat Lucy Walker departed Louisville, Kentucky, bound for New Orleans. "Rich Joe" owned a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of the Ooltewah Creek. He was a traveler, didn't stay home much. Margaret Fields, Minerva Biggs* and Elizabeth Griffin. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. In the master's yard was the slave cabin, one room long, dirt floor, no windows. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. Sponsored by Ancestry . Yes Lord Yes. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. People just go and help themselves, till they couldn't eat no mo! Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his negroes before I was born. Yes Lord yes. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Falls. Pappy is buried in the church yard on Four Mile Branch. They'd come to the door like this, "sh.." and go out quick again. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. I always pick a whole passel of muscadines for old Master and he make up sour wine, and dat helps out when we git the bowel complaint from eating dat fresh pork. Robert Hicks ("Who went to live with the Indians") was born 1720 in Albermarle, Sussex, Virginia. We had a good song I remember. In the summer I wear them on Sunday, too. I don't know how old I is; some folks say I'se ninety-two and some say I must be a hundred. That was sort of vault, where the family valuables was kept. We told him bout de Pins coming for him and he just laughed. . We git three or four crops of different things out of dat farm every ear, and something growing on dat place winter and summer. I went to see dem lots of times and they was always glad to see me. Yes, my dear Lord yes. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptising. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. They tell us what was happening and what to do. John Trader U Wa Ni Vann family tree Parents Holesqua Chief Cornstalk Vann 1628 - 1740 Sarah Ann Champion 1665 - Unknown Spouse (s) Mary Wa' Li' Cherokee King-vann 1690 - 1770 When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. There was music, fine music. They was Cherokee Indians. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Master's place and all the negroes mighty scared, but he didn't sell my pappy off. Person Interviewed: Betty Robertson Location: Fort Gibson, Oklahoma Age: 93 I was born close to Webbers Falls, in the Canadian District of the Cherokee Nation, in the same year that my pappy was blowed up and killed in the big boat accident that killed my old Master. The Chief Vann House, built between 1804 and 1806 by the Cherokee leader James Vann, is called the "Showplace of the Cherokee Nation ." It is located at the intersection of U.S. Highway 76 and Georgia 225 in Murray County, on the outskirts of Chatsworth in northwest Georgia. One year later my sister Phyllis was born on the same place and we been together pretty much of the time ever since, and I reckon dere's only one thing that could separate us slave born children. De clothes wasn't no worry neither. Joseph Vann married a Cherokee woman called Wah-li about 1765. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. Used to go up and down the river in his steamboat. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. I go to this house, you come to my house. When the last of the Cherokees were forcibly moved west in 1838, government records indicate that 1,592 black slaves were moved to Indian Territory with their owners. There wasn't nothing left. Sometims just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. I had to work in the kitchen when I was a gal, and they was ten or twelve children smaller than me for me to look after, too. According to English law, this made the two daughters Royal Princesses. Chief James Ti-ka-lo-hi Vann, Cr. He come to our house and Mistress said for us Negroes to give him something to eat and we did. This CHEROKEE index was pre-built so it loads quickly. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. I thought it was mighty big and fine. He took us back to Texas right down near where I was born at Bellview. F Keziah Vann Family Tree Born in 1763 - Yancey Co., NC. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. Up at five o'clock and back in sometimes about de middle of de evening long before sundown, unless they was a crop to git in before it rain or something like dat. Mammy work late in the night, and I hear the loom making noises while I try to sleep in the cabin. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. When I left Mrs. McGee's I worked about three years for Mr. Sterling Scott and Mr. Roddy Reese.
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