There are four chambers in the human heart. Many, really do not know what they are doing. You are presenting one of his objections as the conclusion (Therefore, a Superior is not to be obeyed in all things). I dont understand how people can oppose that, but I know that Satan is doing everything he can to try to stop this Heavenly mission here on Earth. Yes, I understand the force of the document. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. I do not know what I said Harry. They had them at a couple of their locations.). if u believe whats going on in the middle east and especially the holy land is all about democracy, then i believe we are operating under and are in the age of THE OPERATION OF ERROR of the end of the age. Since its relatively close to where one of my sisters lives, I mentioned the place to her. I was forever changed, and there is no doubt in my Catholic heart that God and his family are on and all over those grounds. You are bound to obey the Bishop of Cleveland whether you like it or not. My sources of reference are the great St. Thomas of Aquinas and the highly-esteemed orthodox theologian, Deitrich von Hildebrand, called by Pope Pius X11 a 20th century Doctor of the Church. Their finite minds could not grasp His meaning, and their mistake was not in trusting Him. We are not bound to follow an admonishment. If what is taught by an appointed servant of God (bishop, priest, or Pope) is contrary to Catholic teaching, they are not to be obeyed, but even publicly rebuked. Find what you read and tell me, okay? Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours! In general, if it is not church approved (Lourdes, Fatima, etc. depends on souls who have sincerely consecrated themselves to the Cross. This is contrary to our faith. People are making excuses, ignoring abnormalities and rejecting Church teaching and authority. Ive even thought of going to the Holy Love website and copying/pasting some of the more glaringly ridiculous messages to try to argue it that way, but I see it would be futile. If there was initial skepticism and resistance, God ultimately overcame it. Source: Give me one example of circular logic. Hate to disagree, but the Devil would indeed promote the Rosary if it gains him more than it loses him. I suggest you read Aquinas on obedience instead. Oh my. This place made me a better Catholic and its saving souls. Dave, this is just perfect. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. Any basic science course that teaches something of the human anatomy teaches that the human heart has four chambers not six. Yes, it is, replies Thomas of Aquinas together with every. Now youre obfuscating the issue. To convince this person that these messages arent coming from Heaven. There are none, nor could he name any. I prayed that I believe and am not looking for a miracle but help those who dont believe. My argument has been the most consistent of anyone in this discussion. Have a nice day,Harr. Albert Drexel to help you comprehend this idea. The words were cleverly chosen. In the end, how is a person to discern what is true and what is not? Please understand that I speak to you as one martyred for the Truth of private revelation despite evidence to the contrary. Nobody claims to be gods here. Not all are holy. Find me one half truth, just one. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. When in the history of the Catholic Church have approved apparitions consisted of a Blessed Mother going freestyle outside the Church? How sad that, even in the face of the most basic logic, many refuse to understand how dangerous it is to follow the serpentine path of these untruths. There is an old adage in Scholastic(?) In fact I know him, Fr. There are none. Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. It attributes whole malice to persons, effectively demonizing them. From The Imitation of Christ (Book 3, Pg 160): Thanks for that Liz. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. Madame, diddling means only to fool with if you are some how attributing masturbation to my use of the word, it tells me where your mind is. Furthermore, The Holy Spirit reigns within these visionaries. Barrier tags: condemnation , condemning , judgmental , prejudging 20 likes Like Its his job. Iused to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. You seem to keep getting lost in trying to get others to explain whats wrong with HL, or whats wrong with the messages, or the countrys terrible bishops. There was an ultimatum with himembrace Holy Love or you are showing that you dont love/trust him or God. You said before that you were finished writing to me, but you have not been consistent with what you decided in an earlier post. Leave it alone. If one reads Lennons Decree carefully, there is a LOT more going on in it than how some are arguing it. in public administration and worked in both those fields before staying home to work as a freelance writer. We learn (in Church history) that St. Athanasius disobeyed Pope Liberius, St. Godefrey of Amiens and St. Hughes of Grenoble disobeyed Pope Pascal 11. The organization has no approval or support from the Catholic diocese. Yes, we may suffer a punishment but Donald Trump is not the answer. She is within the parameters of canon law. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. In any case, dont post anything on the internet that you are not prepared to defend AND back up with documented, verifiable truth, real truth, not just something you feel is true. 3221 You are absolutely wrong. Do you tink that pleased God? When an alleged apparition attacks the Church, there is reason enough for the local Ordinary to say, thanks but no thanks.. Or, is this something that happened in the past? This is defiance on the part of the bishops against Christs Church. Pray for our bishops, wont you? You are in trouble if you think that obedience to heresy is of God. Guard me against all evil. In his decree of November 11, 2009 Bishop Lennon made it clear that because of a number of issues it was necessary to forbid priests to celebrate the sacraments at the site of the Holy Love shrine and that the faithful are admonished to cease gathering there. Well, Ive gopt a question: Regarding the bishops we are supposed to obey: how many of them have concealed pedophile priests? What would you do then? This has all been said. Regarding Bayside: To say that there is nothing credible at Bayside means there is nothing credible at Bayside. Holy Love has changed their name numerous times. Theres another one out there, too, that some HDL devotees are gravitating to: Maria Divine Mercy or MDM. I suffer for what comes to you. Many of them do go and believe in Holy Love apparitions. Its not wrong to go to a site where purported apparitions are occurring. Ditto to that, Harry. St. Padre Pio was a priest. I dont need canon law to tell me that not supernatural means not from God and neither do you. They pray and love God. Perhaps 3221 is thinking of the letter he wrote concerning Holy Love a year or so prior that was indeed just a warning. Simply reading the endless so-called messages on their website, direct from the Blessed Virgin, Jesus, and a host of saints was enough to alert the little internal red flags. Just so you dont go on misinformed the United Hearts would actually have 8 chambers. People have scoffed at places like Fatima and Lourdestoo in the first years.even Pope John Paul said we should be ecumenical.all people of God. By the time I stopped at the latter place, I was much more informed and immediately felt the place was creepy for many reasons. There are genuine miracles from Holy Love, and Ive had very powerful miracles there, With assistance from very conservative priests AND an exorcist,, these things proved to be genuine and not diabolical. Let them go! The decree uses the word warning becasue that it what it isa warning not a formal command to obey. It is through this door every grace and virtue flows from the Heart of My Holy Mother. This is contrary to our faith. Bishop Lennon closed those churches without further study and doing a financial analysis, that the Vatican had to interfere. For there will arise false Christs and false prophets. In 2005 an article in The Plain Dealer newspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry and its many suspicious claims: The ministry was formed around 1986, meeting in homes of followers or a few welcoming churches. Amen! As far as being angry or bitter, as I have said, we see in others what we ourselves are. I would like to know where Bishop Lennon stands on abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, women priests etc. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. Joan of Arc told them all on 11/17/12: Much private revelation which is worthy and poignant to these harrowing times is being subdued by erroneous even rash judgments.Such is the case here in this Mission which I have come to defend., 3221 believes that Jesus told them all on 10/14/12: I have come to ask your total detachment from the opinions of others. Why is it hard for you to grasp the Bishops attempt to stop his sheep from going to a place that has been deemed not of supernatural origin? Believe what you want, and let others believe what they want. So, instead, the devil uses a Catholic facade to lure them in. The Church has spoken on Holy Love Ministries. Good luck with your efforts here. In regards to judging authenticity when it comes to mystics and visionaries, obedience is the litmus test of the Church. Your explanation proves absolutely nothing of substance. Lets give everybody another dollop of your skewered thinking. He evidently does not realize that learning the full and true Faith as it is given to us by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church takes priority over obedience to him. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt [CCC 1801].. We have two generations of ill-formed Catholicsdue to bishops who have failed Christ badlywho do not know the most fundamental teachings of their Faith,nor do they understand that the virtue of obedience is an obedience to defending the Faith, not the false obedience of unthinking compliance with bishops, especially when those bishops do not have the moral integrity which underpins any true discernment. Catholicism never changes its dogma, never changes what it believes and teaches for the sake of ecumenism. 6/10/93 from Our Lady: You do not realize how powerful your prayers are and how much I need them. This is contrary to our faith. Been there. At the age of 14, my father took me to see Maureen and to receive a personal message. It is not a condemnation. There is no meaning here that we are to condone sin. Several members of Sweeneys small ministry became disillusioned and left.. i was a po in nyc many yrs ago. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. They had them at a couple of their locations.). As it has always been, all people of all faiths are welcome to join us in prayer and the peace that Heaven offers at this site.. (5)The door to the soul is free will. (Medjugorie). Using St. Joan of Arc as an example would be an arguing point if we were discussing Maureen Sweeney-Kyle, the supposed visionary, but were not talking about her. If Rome asked this bishop to send a report and based upon his observations, this is not a true apparition site, best to obey. Here is the quote I have come to explain to you the Sixth Chamber. Everything I knew about him seemed to be the real deal. Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. Protect me from any evil plan Satan may have for me today. If people were inspired or received what they believe to be miracles at this site, then praise be to God! The bishop is obligated to teach what exactly is wrong at Holy Love Ministries, and he does not because he cannot. Thats all irrelevant to this topic. Design by Perceptions Studio. Your statement is wrong if you are asserting that if a bishopeven the bishop of jurisdiction claims that nothing supernatural is happening it equals a condemnation. It couldve meant anything or nothing. I have asked repeatedly in the on line conversation, following your article, for others to give to me one line from the messagesjust one linethat contradicts the full teaching of the Catholic Faith. Lennon has definitively declared Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not from God. And soon the lengthy messages that Sweeney dictated into a tape recorder began denouncing the Catholic Church; others commented on political details of the day. Since he does not forbid it, people can therefore go and it also means HLM is not condemned.. These are the pearls that are consistently in evidence at this apparition site. On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but they are not Catholic. Imitate this resignation by accepting trials.". Let me ask you a question: What will you do and to whomor should I say to Whom will you be obedient when your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only a symbol and not really the Body and Blood of Jesus? This is a sin. The human heart is a metaphor for the core of ones being being open to God. The other bishops have no authority in his diocese. As to the annulment, it is none of our business whether or not she got a declaration of nullity, a declaration of invalidity or whatever. The roads to hell are paved wit their skulls, according to St.Philip Neri. To go to Holy love, see a beautiful statute and maybe be at peace on what to me, is very much holy ground, doesnt mean your believing in Maureen and no longer the church at all. This man continues to remain obedient and does not publicly discuss his mystical experiences with Christ and the Blessed Mother. Este sitio tambien tiene articulos del famoso Padre Fortea, exorcista en espana. Ignatius of Loyola. Our free will is a powerful gift from God. Then came a time of upheaval. I was At the previous site. If Our precious Pope told us we were forbidden to go I would listen. This Page runs by volunteer MSHLs in order to spread the messages from the Heaven that given to a vi Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH They had every right to do what they did. Fr. In the meantime I really cannot understand how this ministry that promotes. I believe Fr. Loyalty to the true Faith comes before obedience to a bishop who is not teaching the full Faith. The overcast sky cleared just a bit as the sun showed itself through a thin film of clouds. The more simple and single-hearted the soul is, the more I revel in him.". I was schooled in the true pristine doctrine, Tradition, sacramental understandings of our Catholic Faith, as well as in Scriptural knowledge and interpretation in the Catholic Tradition long before distortions and errors permeated Catholic catechesis as a result of the misinterpretations and distortions of the Second Vatican Council. Though Im not overly fond of such, I do find the work of research and fact checking beneficial to building apologetical muscle. Id not heard of it ~ Our Lady of Good Help ~ in Wisconsin. Yur reply is a good example of a non sequitor. And thats just the very recent stuff. The question now is, will those that were enthralled with this Shrine, accept Church authority or continue to follow a ministry that has officially been condemned? Obedience. They did not because they could not. Did I name him in my question to you? Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. I have a close friend who is a member of this organization(its not a catholic site and priests are not allowed to say mass by the bishop.) The problem is that I get the point only too well. In that consecration to God, we can accept the Cross, help bear the cross, follow the way of the Cross. The continue to remain silent while the most horrific distortions of our treasured Faith are promulgated. Nothing can stop Gods Spirit. His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. The Holy Love messages are promoting nothing but good, which makes everything against it evil. In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. God can use all things for good. Finally, by end of 2014, the world will know the truth about a great many things and will recognize that the Holy Love apparitions are in fact authentic. It is when Rome itself speaks officially that the matter will be finished. In high school, my father and I would go back and forth about the validity of HLM and every discussion was a circle. This was in the home on Broadview Rd. And, that would be the sin of idolatry. The bishop under whose jurisdiction Medjugorie was (or is) was disapproving of the apparitions there. I find this article sad. Guard me against all evil. In March 1992, the Duluth Diocese investigated, and ultimately advised Catholics to stay away. Faith is greater than obedience. I have written an article about visionaries entitled Private revelations and Obedience to the Catholic Church which includes some biblical references and also some examples from the Saints in regards to the absolute necessity of obedience for visionaries/mystics and those who follow them. Amen." Insinuations have been made, and without one shred of proof. Incidentally, I keep hearing about such bad doctrine from those who mock HLM. There is absolutely no reason to invest yourself in questionable devotions. wexham park hospital slough,
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